People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

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People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby thurman » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:09 am

Group 6 of the GKL People's Top 18 goes off today. Here's your chance to determine the best courses in the state! Next up...

Fore please, Lassing Pointe in Union, KY.

If you've played it, you can rate it. Please use the following categories and rate on a scale of 1-5, as below (it's a tough scale, 3 is a pretty good score):

1 - Poor
2 - Okay
3 - Solid
4 - Very good
5 - Superb

Aesthetics – Is it scenic? Does the course “fit” its natural surroundings? Are the views unobstructed? Points off here for homes or buildings or power lines encroaching on the course, or other eyesores.

Ambience – Does the course feel “special”? Is it quiet? Is it a friendly, pleasant, or unique place to play in terms of atmosphere? Does it have intangibles that make you want to return? Points off here for loud highways, crappy customer service, pissy locals, and other things that negatively impact a course’s atmosphere.

Conditioning – Are the greens smooth? Do they run at the right speed? Are the fairways full? Does it play fast? Are the bunkers maintained? Points off here for slow or bumpy greens, dead spots in fairways, neglect, and unplayable bunkers.

Use of property – Does the course use its land well? Do natural slopes provide interest on shots? Are the course’s natural features used (water, trees, terrain, etc)? Does it drain well? Points off here for holes that ran out of room, constant drainage issues, unplayable slopes, wasted or misplaced features.

Risk/reward – Does the course give you opportunities to take a risk for some potential gain over the player who doesn’t take the same risk? Does the course extract a penalty if you fail? Does it make you want to hit dangerous shots? Points off here for forced conservative plays, cakewalk short par 4s and 5s with little danger.

Test of the full game – Can different types of players be successful? Does the course reward accuracy as much as it rewards distance? Is touch around greens as important as hitting strong full shots? Is putting as important as driving? Points off here for courses over-reliant on length, holes that don’t give short hitters a chance to put the ball in play, courses with interest tee to green but flat dull greens, etc.

Design variation – Is there a good mixture of short, medium, and long par 4s? Are the par 5s unique? Do you hit different clubs on the par 3s? Are there uphill and downhill holes? Are there doglegs left and right? Are different challenges present from one hole to the next? Points off here for repetitive shots, a ton of 380 yard par 4s, etc (note: It’s okay for a course to be cohesive. It’s ok if a course is “old school,” “wooded,” or “links style.” It just needs to present unique challenges throughout).

Memorability – Pretty simple: Do you remember it after you play it? Are there shots you replay in your head and think about before your next round? Do holes stand out for the right reasons? Points off here for forgettable holes or memorably bad holes.
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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby cobra » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:19 am

Aesthetics – 2
Ambience – 1
Conditioning – 1
Use of property – 3
Risk/reward – 3
Test of the full game – 3
Design variation – 3
Memorability – 2
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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby wilma » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:41 am

4,4,4,4,3,3,4,4 = 30

Wha.....? Cobra, are you certain you played Lassing Pointe?

Great course in quiet area seemingly natural to golf. My only problems there were with staff, which I found snooty and close-minded. But do not let that keep you from trying this course.

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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby kygolf99 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:37 pm

Aesthetics – 3
Ambience – 3
Conditioning – 2
Use of property – 4
Risk/reward – 3
Test of the full game – 3
Design variation – 3
Memorability – 2

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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby LordofthePings » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:44 am

DNP.
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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby cesmal » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:33 am

4,3,4,4,3,3,4,4 - 29

Nice course with several memorable holes. 18 green is truly unique.
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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby A-Dub » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:01 pm

DNP. On the to-do list this year.
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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby moe » Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:05 pm

4,4,3, 5, 4, 4, 4, 4 = 32

Dr. Michael Hurdzan at his best !

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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby Docugs » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:53 pm

33443344- 28 Haven't played here in a while So some of my ratings could be higher in some areas and lower in others. I think it belongs in the final list Just not at number one like it was for a few years.
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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby foreleft » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:02 am

Aesthetics – 5
Ambience – 4
Conditioning – 2(just the last two summers have been tough on it)
Use of property – 4
Risk/reward – 4
Test of the full game – 5
Design variation – 4
Memorability – 4

Cobra was one of those guys that paid full price when it was horrible shape. I don't blame him. I played it in July when it was not too good but I got a good deal. I call this course, golf for giants. Everything is just expansive. I love it.
Not raking a bunker.
Littering is wrong too.
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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby thurman » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:39 am

I'm just wondering how a course with no houses in sight can get rated a 2 for aesthetics and a 1 for ambience. If it's in bad condition, rip the conditions. Knock the memorability because your recollection is marred by crabgrass. But just how bad can the aesthetics and ambience be on a course with no power lines or houses in sight? I'd have a hard time rating Canewood that low in those categories...

It'd be pretty lame if one person cast votes with the agenda of just elevating one course five or six spots in the final rankings and crushing another, especially if they did the latter after presumably only one round during which they used a conforming golf ball. I'm not a big fan of Old Silo (spoiler alert), but you won't see me give it a score in the teens just to try and bump it out of the Top 5 or 10. Likewise, I didn't give Picadome a 40 just to assure it made the Top 18.
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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby cesmal » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:54 am

It might not be valid with so few raters, but you could throw out the high and low scores for each course. Or take the mean of the ratings for each course and throw any scores out that are out of line, off the bell curve. That would take care of any potential bias problems.
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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby thurman » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:45 pm

I hate to toss the high and low number. People should be allowed to vote for their favorite course, and they should be allowed to feel a course is worse than others. The problem is when, as you mentioned, the numbers are way out of line.

A lot of statisticians consider a true outlier anything that falls more than 2-3 standard deviations from the average. I think using the lower end of that spectrum makes sense for us since we don't have a very large sample size. Throughout the entire course of voting so far, we've only had two ratings for ANY courses that fell 2 standard deviations from an average. It's not hard to guess which two they are. I might consider removing them, depending on how they impact the final scores overall. Gotta think on that one a bit.
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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby A-Dub » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:36 pm

Thurman loves him some cobra... :lol:
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Re: People's Top 18: Lassing Pointe

Postby rocket68 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:11 pm

Aesthetics – 3
Ambience – 3
Conditioning – 3
Use of property – 2
Risk/reward – 3
Test of the full game – 3
Design variation – 3
Memorability – 3
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