People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

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People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby thurman » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:09 am

Group 6 of the GKL People's Top 18 goes off today. Here's your chance to determine the best courses in the state! Next up...

Fore please, The Falls Resort and Golf Club (FKA Lafayette) in Falls of Rough, KY.

If you've played it, you can rate it. Please use the following categories and rate on a scale of 1-5, as below (it's a tough scale, 3 is a pretty good score):

1 - Poor
2 - Okay
3 - Solid
4 - Very good
5 - Superb

Aesthetics – Is it scenic? Does the course “fit” its natural surroundings? Are the views unobstructed? Points off here for homes or buildings or power lines encroaching on the course, or other eyesores.

Ambience – Does the course feel “special”? Is it quiet? Is it a friendly, pleasant, or unique place to play in terms of atmosphere? Does it have intangibles that make you want to return? Points off here for loud highways, crappy customer service, pissy locals, and other things that negatively impact a course’s atmosphere.

Conditioning – Are the greens smooth? Do they run at the right speed? Are the fairways full? Does it play fast? Are the bunkers maintained? Points off here for slow or bumpy greens, dead spots in fairways, neglect, and unplayable bunkers.

Use of property – Does the course use its land well? Do natural slopes provide interest on shots? Are the course’s natural features used (water, trees, terrain, etc)? Does it drain well? Points off here for holes that ran out of room, constant drainage issues, unplayable slopes, wasted or misplaced features.

Risk/reward – Does the course give you opportunities to take a risk for some potential gain over the player who doesn’t take the same risk? Does the course extract a penalty if you fail? Does it make you want to hit dangerous shots? Points off here for forced conservative plays, cakewalk short par 4s and 5s with little danger.

Test of the full game – Can different types of players be successful? Does the course reward accuracy as much as it rewards distance? Is touch around greens as important as hitting strong full shots? Is putting as important as driving? Points off here for courses over-reliant on length, holes that don’t give short hitters a chance to put the ball in play, courses with interest tee to green but flat dull greens, etc.

Design variation – Is there a good mixture of short, medium, and long par 4s? Are the par 5s unique? Do you hit different clubs on the par 3s? Are there uphill and downhill holes? Are there doglegs left and right? Are different challenges present from one hole to the next? Points off here for repetitive shots, a ton of 380 yard par 4s, etc (note: It’s okay for a course to be cohesive. It’s ok if a course is “old school,” “wooded,” or “links style.” It just needs to present unique challenges throughout).

Memorability – Pretty simple: Do you remember it after you play it? Are there shots you replay in your head and think about before your next round? Do holes stand out for the right reasons? Points off here for forgettable holes or memorably bad holes.
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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby wilma » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:35 am

5,4,3[rumor, it was great when we played],4,4,4,3,4 = 31.

Definite Top 10 when we played it, four or five years ago. This really bothers me because of sad rumors. Hope thing pan out well.

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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby JP » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:49 pm

I only played here once but I really liked the course when we played there. Great atmosphere, nice staff and solid layout.

4, 4, 3, 3, 2, 3, 3, 3
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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby LordofthePings » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:58 am

I have played this course 3-4 times, but it's probably been 8-9 years since I last played it. At that time, I would probably rate the conditions a 3. This seems to be the category of recent concern. Asthetics is great, I mean, you're out in the middle of nowhere along a river. Ambience was great, once I went with a large group and we were treated royally. I still remember several holes, but not nearly enough to try to rate test of game, risk/reward, or design variation. Use of property, it's hard to go wrong with what they had to work with, but I can't remember enough to offer a rating there either.

So I guess I'd be something like: 4,4,3,?,?,?,?,3.
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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby cesmal » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:27 am

4,4,2,4,3,3,4,4 - 28

Great layout, but conditioning holds my rating down. The last few times I've been down there, there has been crabgrass on the green collars and bare patches on the greens. I need to hear that the conditioning issues have been resolved before I make the trip again.
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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby A-Dub » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:02 pm

DNP
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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby moe » Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:01 pm

4, 3, 2, 4, 4, 4, 4, 3 = 28

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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby cesmal » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:14 am

After I rated this course, it occurred to me that conditioning should maybe be given more weight in these ratings. If you have a course like Lafayette that is in poor condition (at least some of the time), but scores well in most other factors, it will get a competitive overall rating relative to other courses. But, if the conditions of a course are poor, I don't even consider playing it. I'd much rather play a well-conditioned course with average use of property, risk reward, etc. Do you really want to play a well designed course that is a goat ranch in terms of conditions? I'm not saying Lafayette/Falls of Rough is a goat ranch, just trying to make a point. The condition of the grass on a course is just more important to me than a lot of the other factors we are using.
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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby thurman » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:50 am

cesmal wrote:Do you really want to play a well designed course that is a goat ranch in terms of conditions?


Yes.

I care more about the design of the course than its conditions. There's obviously a cut-off point, as I don't want to play on newly aerated greens or dirt fairways. But I'm much more willing to overlook a hard-packed bunker and brown fairways as long as the design interest of the course is still high. In my Des Moines golf thread in the Vacation section, I much preferred beat-up, overgrown, superbly designed muni Waveland to the lush, pristine, poorly routed, boring semi-private Legacy. I would guess you'd feel the opposite way, but Doug would probably agree with me. To each his own, but there are plenty of golfers on both sides of that fence and rating courses primarily on conditioning would... well, lead us to the Golfweek rankings that have Cherry Blossom the number one course in the state.

There are a few other issues with giving conditions too heavy an influence. First, I think most players perceive a well-conditioned course to be well-designed anyways. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to a course in good shape rather than to a course in bad shape. Conditions are also highly variable and, in the case of ratings like these, subject to word-of-mouth analysis. My understanding is that Lafayette had been in great condition in recent years, and fell into poor condition in the last few. There's no reason to think they can't get it in good shape again next year. Same for any course that has conditioning issues (although some courses obviously are more consistently troubled than others).
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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby moe » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:17 am

Case in point.
The best course I played this year was Sugarloaf, a ski resort in Maine.
It is a 1986 Robert Trent Jones jr. design.
I gave it 8 excellent and 10 good holes for design.
I played good golf but shot 89, proving my bias that I can't score on a really good course. :roll:

The course was not in good condition.
there were some grass problems in the rough, fairways, and on a few greens.
Several bunkers with high sides had erosion problems.
It was no goat ranch, but not in what I call good condition.

On that same trip I played good courses in better condition,
but given the chance to play any one course over again, I would play Sugarloaf.

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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby jf » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:18 pm

Maybe at the end when everything is totaled, some categories might stand out as relatively high or low and could be noted for that?
Or maybe the list could be broke down to top 18 for each category? :lol:

Sounds like more work for Thurman. :roll:

I know a course like The Oaks at Flatwoods will get real low conditioning scores,(maybe zeros if they were allowed, or if it even gets enough raters) but, should do okay in other areas. You would hate for someone to see your rankings,a course like that to make your top 18, they play it, and they wonder are these people for real?

Just a thought, maybe it's been planned for already.

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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby cesmal » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:40 pm

Interesting reactions to what I actually meant to be a rhetorical question. I personally would prefer to play a manicured, aesthetic course with average design over a poorly conditioned, well-designed course. But I guess that's what makes the golf world go 'round.
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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby cobra » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:13 pm

cesmal wrote:Interesting reactions to what I actually meant to be a rhetorical question. I personally would prefer to play a manicured, aesthetic course with average design over a poorly conditioned, well-designed course. But I guess that's what makes the golf world go 'round.


Agreed. Your question seemed obviously rhetorical...astounding that anyone perceives otherwise. Then again, golf is a field of human endeavor where completely opposite opinions are found on every conceivable topic.
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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby thurman » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:29 pm

as·tound·ing [uh-stoun-ding] - adjective - capable of overwhelming with amazement; stunningly surprising.

So you were overwhelmed with amazement that someone responded to Cesmal's post, Cobra? Did you pass out? That would help explain the apparent head injury, at least for today...

Cesmal posted his totally legitimate opinion that conditions matter more to him than any other factor on a golf course. He also suggested that we weight conditions more strongly than other categories. As the organizer of our little competition, I responded with reasons why they aren't weighted more strongly. I used his (obviously) rhetorical question to segue into my post. Astounding that you found it astounding that someone would quote a post to further a discussion. Do you understand what I was doing there now?

By the way, that was rhetorical. I'd be astounded if you perceive it otherwise. I'm pretty sure that bans you from posting further on this thread and relegates you back to your house under the bridge.

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Re: People's Top 18: The Falls Resort (Lafayette)

Postby Docugs » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:47 pm

Dnp, but didn't they shut down for part of the year because conditions have become so bad. If that is the case, they do not belong on the list this year at all.
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